Dialectical Spiritualism: Carl Jung, Part 8

BY: SUN STAFF - 30.10 2017

Conversations wtih HDG A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, excerpted from  Dialectical Spiritualism: A Vedic View of Western Philosophy.

XIII. PSYCHOANALYSIS 
Carl Gustav Jung (1875 - 1961)

Syamasundara dasa: Jung noticed male and female characteristics reflected in nature. For instance, a mountain may be considered male because it is strong and dominant, whereas the sea is female because it is passive and is the womb of life.

Srila Prabhupada: These are all mental concoctions. They have no real scientific value. You may imagine things like this, but the real identity of these things is different. Life is not generated from the ocean; rather, everything is generated from the breathing of Lord Visnu, who lies in the causal ocean. If I am lying on this bed, and something emanates from my breathing, does this mean that something is emanating from the bed?

Syamasundara dasa: But aren't there specific male and female characteristics?

Srila Prabhupada: The only male is God. Male means enjoyer, and female means enjoyed. But for God, no one is the enjoyer. Therefore He is the only male.

Syamasundara dasa: Then is it false to think of anything as masculine besides God?

Srila Prabhupada: Masculine is different. We speak of the masculine gender. The linga is the symbol of masculinity in the material body. In Bengali, it is said that one can tell if an animal is male or female simply by raising its tail. But these are material considerations. The real male is Krsna.

Syamasundara dasa: But couldn't you refer to the ocean as "mother ocean?

Srila Prabhupada: You may in the sense that the ocean contains so many living entities, just as the female contains a child within her womb. Or you may speak of a mountain as being male because of its strength and durability. In that sense, you may make these comparisons, but you should not think that these are the real identities of these things.

Syamasundara dasa: For Jung, the soul, or self, is the center of organization within the personality, and seeks a harmonious balance between the conscious and the unconscious.

Srila Prabhupada: When we speak of personality, we must admit the existence of the soul. Because you are a living entity, you have a separate identity called personality. Unless there is an individual soul, there is no possibility of personality.

Syamasundara dasa: Jung said that the self is rarely completely balanced. But don't we say that the self is always stable?

Srila Prabhupada: No, when the self is under the influence of maya, he is not balanced. He is imbalanced and ignorant. His true consciousness is covered. When rain falls from the sky, it is clear, but as soon as it touches the earth, it becomes muddy. Originally, the soul's consciousness is clear, but when it comes in contact with the three modes of material nature, it is muddied.

Hayagriva dasa: "If the soul is anything," Jung writes, "it must be of unimaginable complexity and diversity, so that it cannot possibly be approached through a mere psychology of instinct."

Srila Prabhupada: According to Caitanya Mahaprabhu, we can understand the soul through training. By negation, we can understand, "I am not this, I am not that." Then we can come to understand.

nahafn vipro na ca nara-patir napi vaisyo na sudro 
nahafn varni na ca grha-patir no vanastho yatir va 
kintu prodyan-nikhila-paramananda-purnamrtabdher 
gopi-bhartuh pada-kamalayor dasa-dasanudasah

"I am not a brahmana, I am not a ksatriya, I am not a vaisya or a sudra. Nor am I a brahmacari, a householder, a vanaprastha, or a sannyasi. I identify Myself only as the servant of the servant of the servant of the lotus feet of Lord Sri Krsna, the maintainer of the gopis. He is like an ocean of nectar, and He is the cause of universal transcendental bliss. He is always existing with brilliance." (Caitanya-caritamrta, Madh. 13.80) That is our real identification. As long as we do not identify ourselves as eternal servants of Krsna, we will be subject to various false identifications. Bhakti, devotional service, is the means by which we can be purified of false identification.

Hayagriva dasa: "I can only gaze with wonder and awe at the depths and heights of our psychic nature," Jung writes. "Its non-spatial universe conceals an untold abundance of images which have accumulated over millions of years of living development and become fixed in the organism."

Srila Prabhupada: Since we are constantly changing bodies, constantly undergoing transmigration, we are accumulating various experiences. However, if we remain fixed in Krsna consciousness, we do not change. There is none of this fluctuation once we understand our real identification, which is, "I am the servant of Krsna, and my duty is to serve Him." Arjuna realized this after hearing Bhagavad-gita, and he told Sri Krsna:

nasto mohah smrtir labdha 
tvat prasadan mayacyuta 
sthito 'smi gata-sandehah 
karisye vacanam tava

"My dear Krsna, 0 infallible one, my illusion is now gone. I have regained my memory by Your mercy, and I am now firm and free from doubt and am prepared to act according to Your instructions." (Bg. 18. 73) So after hearing Bhagavad-gita, Arjuna comes to this conclusion, and his illusion is dispelled by Krsna's mercy. Arjuna is then fixed in his original position. And what is this? Karisye vacanam tava. "Whatever you say, I will do. " At the beginning of Bhagavad-gita, Krsna told Arjuna to fight, and Arjuna refused. At the conclusion, Arjuna's illusion is dispelled, and he is situated in his original constitutional position. Thus our perfection lies in executing the orders of Krsna.