Dialectical Spiritualism: Carl Jung, Part 3

BY: SUN STAFF - 23.10 2017

Conversations wtih HDG A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, excerpted from  Dialectical Spiritualism: A Vedic View of Western Philosophy.

Carl Gustav Jung (1875 - 1961)

Syamasundara dasa: Jung states that there are two basic attitudes: extrovertive and introvertive.

Srila Prabhupada: The introvert is called a muni because he is introspective. The extrovert is generally guided by rajas, the mode of passion.

Syamasundara dasa: The personality and behavior of a living entity are determined by the interaction between the unconscious and the conscious mind.

Srila Prabhupada: Full consciousness in Sanskrit is called jagaranam. Dreaming is called svapnah, and susuptih refers to no consciousness, as in an anesthetized state.

Syamasundara dasa: Jung would call the dreaming state the unconscious also. The contents of the unconscious spill over into the conscious mind during dreams.

Srila Prabhupada: I do not like the word "unconscious" because it implies lack of consciousness. When you are anesthetized, you are unconscious. In such a state, you can be cut open and not even know it. However, when you sleep or dream, a mere pinch will awake you. As I said before, "subconscious" is a better word.

Syamasundara dasa: Both Jung and Freud used the word "unconscious" to refer to the subconscious mind that determines our personality.

Srila Prabhupada: When the living entity is in the womb of the mother, he is unconscious. Death means remaining unconscious f or seven or nine months. The living entity does not die; he simply remains unconscious for that duration. That is called susuptih. When you have an operation, an anesthetic is administered, and you are unconscious for a period. When the anesthetic wears off, you emerge into the dream state. That dream state is actually a state of consciousness. When you dream, the mind works.

Syamasundara dasa: Jung believes that if we don't awaken to the many unconscious factors governing our personality, we will remain slaves to our unconscious life. The point of psychoanalysis is to reveal them to us and enable us to face them.

Srila Prabhupada: That is what we are teaching. We say that presently the soul is in an unconscious state, and we are telling the soul, "Please wake up! You are not this body!" It is possible to awaken the human being, but other living entities cannot be awakened. A tree, for instance, has consciousness, but he is so packed in matter that you cannot raise him to Krsna consciousness. Jagadish Candra Bose proved that a tree feels pain when it is cut, although this pain is very slightly manifest. A human being, on the other hand, has developed consciousness, which is manifest in different stages. Lower life forms are more or less in a dream state, or unconscious.

Hayagriva dasa: In his autobiography, Memories, Dreams, Reflections, Jung writes: "I find that all my thoughts circle around God like the planets around the sun, and are as irresistibly attracted by Him. I would feel it to be the grossest sin if I were to oppose any resistance to this force." Jung also sees all creatures as parts of God, and at the same time unique in themselves. "Like every other being," he writes, "I am a splinter of the infinite Deity "

Srila Prabhupada: It is also our philosophy that we are part and parcel of God, just as sparks are part of a fire.

Hayagriva dasa: "It was obedience which brought me grace," he writes. "One must be utterly abandoned to God; nothing matters but fulfilling His will. Otherwise all is folly and meaningless."

Srila Prabhupada: Very good. Surrender unto God is real spiritual life. Sarva dharman parityajya (Bg. 18.66). Surrender to God means accepting that which is favorable to God and rejecting that which is unfavorable. The devotee is always convinced that God will give him all protection. He remains humble and meek, and thinks of himself as one of the members of God's family. This is real spiritual communism. Communists think, "I am a member of a certain community," but it is man's duty to think, "I am a member of God's family." God is the Supreme Father, material nature is the mother, and living entities are all sons of God.

There are living entities everywhere: on land, and in the air, and water. There is no doubt that material nature is the mother, and according to our experience, we can understand that a mother cannot produce a child without a father. It is absurd to think that a child can be born without a father. A father must be there, and the Supreme Father is God. In Krsna consciousness, a person understands that the creation is a spiritual family headed by one Supreme Father.

Hayagriva dasa: Jung writes: "According to the Bible... God has a personality and is the ego of the universe, just as I myself am the ego of my psychic and physical being."

Srila Prabhupada: Yes, the individual is conscious of his own body, but not the bodies of others. Beside the individual soul, or consciousness in the body, there is the Paramatma, the Supersoul, the super consciousness present in everyone's heart. This is discussed in Bhagavad-gita:

ksetrajnam capi mam viddhi 
sarva-ksetresu bharata 
ksetra-ksetrajhayor jnanam 
yat taj jnanam matarh mama

"0 scion of Bharata, you should understand that I am also the knower in all bodies, and to understand this body and its owner is called knowledge. That is my opinion." (Bg. 13.3)